Wednesday, June 21, 2006
Churches that Embrace Homosexuality Deny Scripture
Churches that Embrace Homosexuality Deny Scripture
Jeff Robinson
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP) -- The issue of whether or not the church should embrace homosexuality comes down to its acceptance or denial of the authority of Scripture, R. Albert Mohler Jr. told a national television audience on CNN’s "Larry King Live" on June 15.
The church is called lovingly to confront the sin of homosexuality and all other sins with the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, said Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.
“The first thing [to consider is] whether or not as Christians, God has set a standard to which we are obligated,” Mohler said. “The issue is, always has been and always will be, the authority of Scripture.
“The Scripture very clearly tells us that our Creator has a purpose for our sexuality and that homosexuality among other sins is a violation of that purpose, and so love compels us to tell people the truth and also, as we understand the depth of their struggle with this, to tell them that there is a way out."
Mohler and six other panelists addressed the topic of homosexuality in the church. Panelists included Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual Anglican bishop; Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual and a Time magazine columnist; Jo Hudson, a lesbian who pastors the Cathedral of Hope in Dallas; David Anderson, president and CEO of the Anglican American Council; Michael Manning, a Roman Catholic priest; and Frank Griswold, presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA).
Homosexuality and the church have been a prominent topic in the news of late in light of the Episcopal Church's annual meeting in Columbus, Ohio. Three years ago the Episcopal Church ordained Gene Robinson in New Hampshire as the first openly homosexual bishop in the denomination’s long history. The denomination is deeply divided over the ordination of homosexuals and some analysts predict a split.
Hudson, a United Church of Christ minister who pastors one of the largest homosexual congregations in America, said God created her as a homosexual and thus being in a same-sex relationship is “wholly and completely” natural.
“I have a wonderful, living, dynamic relationship with God,” Hudson said. “And I know, in the core of my being, that the most natural way for me to be is exactly who I am.”
Mohler said he sympathizes with the desire of anyone who wishes to know God, but that a church that fails to follow Scripture and instead celebrates diversity is bound to celebrate sin.
“[T]he Gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it,” Mohler said. “A church that buys into the logic of [celebrating a diversity of views on sexuality] is a church that's obligated to ordain homosexuals openly and unrepentant or anyone else because it has moved away from the clear authority of Scripture.
“A church that worships diversity is a church that's destined to accept a death knell, because the church itself is grounded in truth. The true church always celebrates the truth."
Sullivan, an openly homosexual Catholic, accused evangelicals of forcing their own interpretation upon Scripture to prove the sinfulness of homosexuality. He pointed out that the Old Testament prescribes the death penalty for homosexuals.
“I say the Scripture is clear and Scripture says that I should be put to death,” Sullivan said. “The very verse that says that ‘[You] shall not lie with another man as one does with a woman,’ says that I should face the death penalty. That's clear.... Why is that not taken seriously?”
But Mohler pointed out the importance of understanding Scripture within its proper context. The death penalty for homosexuality was given as a law for Old Testament Israel, he said. With the advent of the new covenant, Christ has now borne the death penalty in the place of sinners and thus the theocratic laws that governed Old Testament Israel are no longer binding, Mohler said.
Although homosexuals no longer face capital punishment, their behavior is still sin according to the Bible, he said. The majority of Christians throughout history have understood the Bible this way, he said.
“There is always the danger that we will read our interpretation of Scripture,” Mohler said. “That's why for one thing we're dependent upon how Christians have read the Scriptures for centuries in which there has been a universal consensus about what the Scriptures had to say about sexuality.”
Robinson said Christians must follow Jesus' example in continually "reinterpreting Scripture." He said the key to Christianity is what is “in one’s heart” and that Jesus would embrace homosexuals just as they are.
“We follow a person [Jesus] who was always reinterpreting Scripture and letting people know that it's the spirit of what's going on in one's heart that is the real key and when he said ‘love one another as I have loved you,’ it means that we need to be moving to the margins, doing justice work, working against racism,” Robinson said.
“[These are] all kinds of things that Jesus would be doing in this day and time. I have no question in my mind that Jesus considers me beloved -- just as I am.”
Mohler, though, said Scripture is clear in teaching that homosexuality is a sin. Christians merely are sinners who have been saved by God’s grace from not only homosexuality but also from various other sins, Mohler said. Thus, there is forgiveness for homosexuals and sinners of all types through faith in Jesus Christ, he said.
“I know the one thing that must not change is this: as one sinner saved by grace to other sinners, I say come to Jesus Christ and come to newness of life,” Mohler said. “It will change your sex life ... It will change every dimension of your life ... by the grace and mercy of God.”
Copyright (c) 2001 - 2006 Southern Baptist Convention, Baptist Press
Jeff Robinson
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP) -- The issue of whether or not the church should embrace homosexuality comes down to its acceptance or denial of the authority of Scripture, R. Albert Mohler Jr. told a national television audience on CNN’s "Larry King Live" on June 15.
The church is called lovingly to confront the sin of homosexuality and all other sins with the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, said Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.
“The first thing [to consider is] whether or not as Christians, God has set a standard to which we are obligated,” Mohler said. “The issue is, always has been and always will be, the authority of Scripture.
“The Scripture very clearly tells us that our Creator has a purpose for our sexuality and that homosexuality among other sins is a violation of that purpose, and so love compels us to tell people the truth and also, as we understand the depth of their struggle with this, to tell them that there is a way out."
Mohler and six other panelists addressed the topic of homosexuality in the church. Panelists included Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual Anglican bishop; Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual and a Time magazine columnist; Jo Hudson, a lesbian who pastors the Cathedral of Hope in Dallas; David Anderson, president and CEO of the Anglican American Council; Michael Manning, a Roman Catholic priest; and Frank Griswold, presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA).
Homosexuality and the church have been a prominent topic in the news of late in light of the Episcopal Church's annual meeting in Columbus, Ohio. Three years ago the Episcopal Church ordained Gene Robinson in New Hampshire as the first openly homosexual bishop in the denomination’s long history. The denomination is deeply divided over the ordination of homosexuals and some analysts predict a split.
Hudson, a United Church of Christ minister who pastors one of the largest homosexual congregations in America, said God created her as a homosexual and thus being in a same-sex relationship is “wholly and completely” natural.
“I have a wonderful, living, dynamic relationship with God,” Hudson said. “And I know, in the core of my being, that the most natural way for me to be is exactly who I am.”
Mohler said he sympathizes with the desire of anyone who wishes to know God, but that a church that fails to follow Scripture and instead celebrates diversity is bound to celebrate sin.
“[T]he Gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it,” Mohler said. “A church that buys into the logic of [celebrating a diversity of views on sexuality] is a church that's obligated to ordain homosexuals openly and unrepentant or anyone else because it has moved away from the clear authority of Scripture.
“A church that worships diversity is a church that's destined to accept a death knell, because the church itself is grounded in truth. The true church always celebrates the truth."
Sullivan, an openly homosexual Catholic, accused evangelicals of forcing their own interpretation upon Scripture to prove the sinfulness of homosexuality. He pointed out that the Old Testament prescribes the death penalty for homosexuals.
“I say the Scripture is clear and Scripture says that I should be put to death,” Sullivan said. “The very verse that says that ‘[You] shall not lie with another man as one does with a woman,’ says that I should face the death penalty. That's clear.... Why is that not taken seriously?”
But Mohler pointed out the importance of understanding Scripture within its proper context. The death penalty for homosexuality was given as a law for Old Testament Israel, he said. With the advent of the new covenant, Christ has now borne the death penalty in the place of sinners and thus the theocratic laws that governed Old Testament Israel are no longer binding, Mohler said.
Although homosexuals no longer face capital punishment, their behavior is still sin according to the Bible, he said. The majority of Christians throughout history have understood the Bible this way, he said.
“There is always the danger that we will read our interpretation of Scripture,” Mohler said. “That's why for one thing we're dependent upon how Christians have read the Scriptures for centuries in which there has been a universal consensus about what the Scriptures had to say about sexuality.”
Robinson said Christians must follow Jesus' example in continually "reinterpreting Scripture." He said the key to Christianity is what is “in one’s heart” and that Jesus would embrace homosexuals just as they are.
“We follow a person [Jesus] who was always reinterpreting Scripture and letting people know that it's the spirit of what's going on in one's heart that is the real key and when he said ‘love one another as I have loved you,’ it means that we need to be moving to the margins, doing justice work, working against racism,” Robinson said.
“[These are] all kinds of things that Jesus would be doing in this day and time. I have no question in my mind that Jesus considers me beloved -- just as I am.”
Mohler, though, said Scripture is clear in teaching that homosexuality is a sin. Christians merely are sinners who have been saved by God’s grace from not only homosexuality but also from various other sins, Mohler said. Thus, there is forgiveness for homosexuals and sinners of all types through faith in Jesus Christ, he said.
“I know the one thing that must not change is this: as one sinner saved by grace to other sinners, I say come to Jesus Christ and come to newness of life,” Mohler said. “It will change your sex life ... It will change every dimension of your life ... by the grace and mercy of God.”
Copyright (c) 2001 - 2006 Southern Baptist Convention, Baptist Press
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Robinson said this,
{“We follow a person [Jesus] who was always reinterpreting Scripture and letting people know that it's the spirit of what's going on in one's heart that is the real key and when he said ‘love one another as I have loved you,’ it means that we need to be moving to the margins, doing justice work, working against racism,” Robinson said.
“[These are] all kinds of things that Jesus would be doing in this day and time. I have no question in my mind that Jesus considers me beloved -- just as I am.”}
He is correct in one sense, Jesus would of accepted him, just as he did the prostitute. You see if Robinson had been found in his relationship, he would of been brought before the council and charged with his sin, which would of brought the death penalty on him. But if he were brought before Jesus as the prostitute was, Jesus would of written on the ground in much the same way as he did with the prostitute and when his accusers left, he would of asked the same thing, where are your accusers? But following this statement, many people want to forget, Jesus followed up to the prostitute with go and sin no more, not go and enjoy your life style! Jesus showed what was a sin and confronted it, didn't embrace it.
Rev. Charles
{“We follow a person [Jesus] who was always reinterpreting Scripture and letting people know that it's the spirit of what's going on in one's heart that is the real key and when he said ‘love one another as I have loved you,’ it means that we need to be moving to the margins, doing justice work, working against racism,” Robinson said.
“[These are] all kinds of things that Jesus would be doing in this day and time. I have no question in my mind that Jesus considers me beloved -- just as I am.”}
He is correct in one sense, Jesus would of accepted him, just as he did the prostitute. You see if Robinson had been found in his relationship, he would of been brought before the council and charged with his sin, which would of brought the death penalty on him. But if he were brought before Jesus as the prostitute was, Jesus would of written on the ground in much the same way as he did with the prostitute and when his accusers left, he would of asked the same thing, where are your accusers? But following this statement, many people want to forget, Jesus followed up to the prostitute with go and sin no more, not go and enjoy your life style! Jesus showed what was a sin and confronted it, didn't embrace it.
Rev. Charles
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with
the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye
needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any
man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an
idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a
one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away
from among yourselves that wicked person.
I have been thinking about the subject Bob mentioned on Judging.
How does it relate to us in the body?
Paul tells us here to judge, but in other places we are told not to judge.
The kind of Judgement we are to do is admit we are sinners, that is
our judgement. I have heard many say that they have accept Jesus, but
they haven't anything to repent of, or don't think they have done
anything that bad as to repent of it.
We have been told that if we say we have not sinned, we are a liar.
Those that have entered the church and promoted sin in the church,
such as homosexuality are those that Paul is talking about in 1Cor.5.
Fornication is defined as "Sexual intercourse between partners who are
not married to each other."
Those in a homosexual relationship have had a sexual relationship with others
that they are not married too.
This is the major reason they are pushing for the right to marry.
They see that if they obtain mans approval to marry, they can get
God's approval and will not be seen as sinning or fornicating.
We are to not have anything to do with those in the Church that claim
to be brothers that promote sin. We have to have contact with the
world outside the body of Christ.
We judge ourselves when we admit to the fact, we have sinned. There
are those that haven't come to understand that. They still don't see
their selves as sinners. They want to change what sin is, by making
sin acceptable to man, thinking that then it would be acceptable to
the Man Christ.
Paul tells us in another place that he did what we wouldn't want to do
and could do what he wanted too. He couldn't live without sinning,
but he wanted too. Is thorn in the side. He understood that he had to
continue to judge his carnal nature, and admit he had sinned. He
judged himself that he wouldn't have to be judged, he accepted the
fact he sinned and the only way to be perfect was through Jesus
Christ. By accepting Christ sacrifice for his sins, by allowing
Christ to pay that price, that judgement for him.
We must do the same.
Blessings,
Charles
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1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with
the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye
needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any
man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an
idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a
one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away
from among yourselves that wicked person.
I have been thinking about the subject Bob mentioned on Judging.
How does it relate to us in the body?
Paul tells us here to judge, but in other places we are told not to judge.
The kind of Judgement we are to do is admit we are sinners, that is
our judgement. I have heard many say that they have accept Jesus, but
they haven't anything to repent of, or don't think they have done
anything that bad as to repent of it.
We have been told that if we say we have not sinned, we are a liar.
Those that have entered the church and promoted sin in the church,
such as homosexuality are those that Paul is talking about in 1Cor.5.
Fornication is defined as "Sexual intercourse between partners who are
not married to each other."
Those in a homosexual relationship have had a sexual relationship with others
that they are not married too.
This is the major reason they are pushing for the right to marry.
They see that if they obtain mans approval to marry, they can get
God's approval and will not be seen as sinning or fornicating.
We are to not have anything to do with those in the Church that claim
to be brothers that promote sin. We have to have contact with the
world outside the body of Christ.
We judge ourselves when we admit to the fact, we have sinned. There
are those that haven't come to understand that. They still don't see
their selves as sinners. They want to change what sin is, by making
sin acceptable to man, thinking that then it would be acceptable to
the Man Christ.
Paul tells us in another place that he did what we wouldn't want to do
and could do what he wanted too. He couldn't live without sinning,
but he wanted too. Is thorn in the side. He understood that he had to
continue to judge his carnal nature, and admit he had sinned. He
judged himself that he wouldn't have to be judged, he accepted the
fact he sinned and the only way to be perfect was through Jesus
Christ. By accepting Christ sacrifice for his sins, by allowing
Christ to pay that price, that judgement for him.
We must do the same.
Blessings,
Charles
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